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		<title>By: Why are bloggers so badly paid? &#124; Freelance Copywriter, London, UK</title>
		<link>http://www.unmemorabletitle.co.uk/should-you-pay-your-copywriter-by-the-word/comment-page-1/#comment-3223</link>
		<dc:creator>Why are bloggers so badly paid? &#124; Freelance Copywriter, London, UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: asone</title>
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		<dc:creator>asone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 13:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, copy writers should be given free reign as to create better quality copy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, copy writers should be given free reign as to create better quality copy!</p>
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		<title>By: How Not to Write - My Top Eight Strapline and Headline Cliches - Unmemorable Title</title>
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		<dc:creator>How Not to Write - My Top Eight Strapline and Headline Cliches - Unmemorable Title</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] course you are. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m paying you to do it. Try harder, put a tiger in your tank or [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] course you are. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m paying you to do it. Try harder, put a tiger in your tank or [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Copify</title>
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		<dc:creator>Copify</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ seobelle I&#039;d like to take issue with a couple of your points - &#039;If you pay by the word (especially as low as 3p per word) you are losing out on research and editing&#039; - Says who? Evidence for this is...

&#039;Our copywriters are paid a sum which includes a minimum word content with quote and a seperate minimum without quotes, this sum is evaluated by the subject as if someone were writing about brain surgery more time for research is needed or the content is worthless anyway.&#039; - Care to disclose your rates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ seobelle I&#8217;d like to take issue with a couple of your points &#8211; &#8216;If you pay by the word (especially as low as 3p per word) you are losing out on research and editing&#8217; &#8211; Says who? Evidence for this is&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8216;Our copywriters are paid a sum which includes a minimum word content with quote and a seperate minimum without quotes, this sum is evaluated by the subject as if someone were writing about brain surgery more time for research is needed or the content is worthless anyway.&#8217; &#8211; Care to disclose your rates?</p>
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		<title>By: Seobelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seobelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 13:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you pay by the word (especially as low as 3p per word) you are losing out on research and editing surely you need to factor this time in to ensure a quality article! Our copywriters are paid a sum which includes a minimum word content with quote and a seperate minimum without quotes, this sum is evaluated by the subject as if someone were writing about brain surgery more time for research is needed or the content is worthless anyway.
Copify has it&#039;s place and some people could do well by it but personally I prefer to pay more for happy clients and happy writers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you pay by the word (especially as low as 3p per word) you are losing out on research and editing surely you need to factor this time in to ensure a quality article! Our copywriters are paid a sum which includes a minimum word content with quote and a seperate minimum without quotes, this sum is evaluated by the subject as if someone were writing about brain surgery more time for research is needed or the content is worthless anyway.<br />
Copify has it&#8217;s place and some people could do well by it but personally I prefer to pay more for happy clients and happy writers.</p>
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		<title>By: Copify - The Debate - Unmemorable Title</title>
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		<dc:creator>Copify - The Debate - Unmemorable Title</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Larner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.

Clients: If copy is a commodity, use Copify.

Writers: If you don&#039;t value your work, use Copify.

More thoughts on the subject on The Drum

http://thedrum.co.uk/blogs/larnercaleb/2010/02/09/the-word-is-mightier-than-the-sword-unless-charged-at-0-04pence/
.-= Larner´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://ouchsharpcopy.blogspot.com/2010/02/world-needs-isurgery.html&quot;&gt;The world needs iSurgery&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.</p>
<p>Clients: If copy is a commodity, use Copify.</p>
<p>Writers: If you don&#8217;t value your work, use Copify.</p>
<p>More thoughts on the subject on The Drum</p>
<p><a href="http://thedrum.co.uk/blogs/larnercaleb/2010/02/09/the-word-is-mightier-than-the-sword-unless-charged-at-0-04pence/" rel="nofollow">http://thedrum.co.uk/blogs/larnercaleb/2010/02/09/the-word-is-mightier-than-the-sword-unless-charged-at-0-04pence/</a><br />
.-= Larner´s last blog ..<a href="http://ouchsharpcopy.blogspot.com/2010/02/world-needs-isurgery.html">The world needs iSurgery</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Alconcalcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alconcalcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Not everyone wants the highest standard, and not everyone can deliver the highest standard&#039;

I still don&#039;t understand this business premise. Who in their right mind decides that anything other than the highest standards are enough, let alone contracts out their second best wish list to an inexperienced writer they have never met and who knows nothing of their organisation? Surely they&#039;d be better off having a stab at it themselves or doing it by committee? 

And it&#039;s not as if Copify promises a fast turnaround. A couple of jobs have March deadlines and one of them is for the princely sum of £15.20! I really don&#039;t get the concept. Clients who are willing to settle for second or third best hires inexperienced writers to produce bog standard copy in a &#039;when you can be arsed&#039; timescale? I&#039;d last five minutes with an approach like that. And haven&#039;t People per hour been doing similar, but not just for copywriting, for quite a while?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Not everyone wants the highest standard, and not everyone can deliver the highest standard&#8217;</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t understand this business premise. Who in their right mind decides that anything other than the highest standards are enough, let alone contracts out their second best wish list to an inexperienced writer they have never met and who knows nothing of their organisation? Surely they&#8217;d be better off having a stab at it themselves or doing it by committee? </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not as if Copify promises a fast turnaround. A couple of jobs have March deadlines and one of them is for the princely sum of £15.20! I really don&#8217;t get the concept. Clients who are willing to settle for second or third best hires inexperienced writers to produce bog standard copy in a &#8216;when you can be arsed&#8217; timescale? I&#8217;d last five minutes with an approach like that. And haven&#8217;t People per hour been doing similar, but not just for copywriting, for quite a while?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;However if they want to pay a premium (they tried “Standard” before, but it wasn’t really what they were after…they need something better) then they pay extra and in turn ONLY THOSE with the experience can accept these jobs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

From your own FAQ: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;If the job is rejected, it will be reviewed by the Copify team and if it is found that it does not match up to the initial brief, you will not be paid for the job.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m a client. I&#039;ve paid the bargain bucket fee, and got some fairly greasy chicken. Not too impressed. Doesn&#039;t match my brief, which was edible chicken. Fine. I go for the bigger price, I get my chicken and I go home happy.

I&#039;m a copywriter. First article for copify. Yeah, it&#039;s a bit greasy. But hell - if you want good chicken, don&#039;t get drive thru. What&#039;s this? The client&#039;s realised he&#039;s paid a pittance for poor copy? He&#039;s rejected it? I&#039;ve not been paid? I can&#039;t re-do it because I&#039;m not a Premium Deluxe Copywriter? I&#039;ve wasted my time for no reward?

Nice. The way I see it, you&#039;ve got two choices. You either devote more time to it than you&#039;re getting paid for, or you don&#039;t get paid. Brilliant for the agency, OK for the client, crap for the writer.

What&#039;s my incentive for joining again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>However if they want to pay a premium (they tried “Standard” before, but it wasn’t really what they were after…they need something better) then they pay extra and in turn ONLY THOSE with the experience can accept these jobs.</p></blockquote>
<p>From your own FAQ: </p>
<blockquote><p>If the job is rejected, it will be reviewed by the Copify team and if it is found that it does not match up to the initial brief, you will not be paid for the job.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m a client. I&#8217;ve paid the bargain bucket fee, and got some fairly greasy chicken. Not too impressed. Doesn&#8217;t match my brief, which was edible chicken. Fine. I go for the bigger price, I get my chicken and I go home happy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a copywriter. First article for copify. Yeah, it&#8217;s a bit greasy. But hell &#8211; if you want good chicken, don&#8217;t get drive thru. What&#8217;s this? The client&#8217;s realised he&#8217;s paid a pittance for poor copy? He&#8217;s rejected it? I&#8217;ve not been paid? I can&#8217;t re-do it because I&#8217;m not a Premium Deluxe Copywriter? I&#8217;ve wasted my time for no reward?</p>
<p>Nice. The way I see it, you&#8217;ve got two choices. You either devote more time to it than you&#8217;re getting paid for, or you don&#8217;t get paid. Brilliant for the agency, OK for the client, crap for the writer.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s my incentive for joining again?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob McVey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob McVey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi again guys, thanks for having (what is turning into quite an adult) discussion about Copify. I think Twitter can lead to frustrations as it&#039;s very difficult to get any real sense into 140 characters, so again thanks to Andrew for starting a good debate away from Twitter.

Ok so our initial plan for the pricing on Copify (and how it stands on the website now) is based on the following;

Not everyone wants the highest standard, and not everyone can deliver the highest standard.

We can&#039;t exclude the businesses who do (however sad it may be) only want quantity over quality. And on the flip side, is it fair to exclude the less experienced copywriters who are willing to make some money supplying this type of copy?

Also, if we don&#039;t price per word, how do we price? We can&#039;t price &quot;per hour&quot; as this hourly price will vary for each copywriter. Andrew, you may deserve £50+ per hour, but that&#039;s you. Not everyone has your experience - but we still want to cater for these writers as their is demand they can be involved in.  

So we need to know the capabilities of the copywriter (hence the &quot;Standard&quot;, &quot;Professional&quot; etc. to begin with) but also how many words are we talking? 100? 10,000? It makes a huge difference to the publishers using the site.

The simplest way for the publishers (who have no experience of the copywriter they are about to use) is to pay a fixed price per word, depending on the quality they are happy to receive. If they are happy to pay for low quality copy (hey, its a free world so let them have it) then they pay the minimum, and in turn the copywriter can deliver the minimum.

However if they want to pay a premium (they tried &quot;Standard&quot; before, but it wasn&#039;t really what they were after...they need something better) then they pay extra and in turn ONLY THOSE with the experience can accept these jobs.

One big issue seems to be the cost per word figures. Please understand this is early days for Copify and these  are not set in stone. This is a learning curve for us too and we need the backing of quality, experienced copywriters like yourself Andrew to get to the stage where we are comfortable in the knowledge we can raise the bar, and supply quality , well paid jobs to people like yourself.

We can&#039;t charge a serious company top-whack when we have no idea of the quality of the copywriters in the &quot;pool&quot; on Copify - we are not there, yet. Once we have seen jobs completed successfully and have a good system in place to ensure only the best get paid the most, we can increase the prices as we can be sure Copify can deliver the goods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again guys, thanks for having (what is turning into quite an adult) discussion about Copify. I think Twitter can lead to frustrations as it&#8217;s very difficult to get any real sense into 140 characters, so again thanks to Andrew for starting a good debate away from Twitter.</p>
<p>Ok so our initial plan for the pricing on Copify (and how it stands on the website now) is based on the following;</p>
<p>Not everyone wants the highest standard, and not everyone can deliver the highest standard.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t exclude the businesses who do (however sad it may be) only want quantity over quality. And on the flip side, is it fair to exclude the less experienced copywriters who are willing to make some money supplying this type of copy?</p>
<p>Also, if we don&#8217;t price per word, how do we price? We can&#8217;t price &#8220;per hour&#8221; as this hourly price will vary for each copywriter. Andrew, you may deserve £50+ per hour, but that&#8217;s you. Not everyone has your experience &#8211; but we still want to cater for these writers as their is demand they can be involved in.  </p>
<p>So we need to know the capabilities of the copywriter (hence the &#8220;Standard&#8221;, &#8220;Professional&#8221; etc. to begin with) but also how many words are we talking? 100? 10,000? It makes a huge difference to the publishers using the site.</p>
<p>The simplest way for the publishers (who have no experience of the copywriter they are about to use) is to pay a fixed price per word, depending on the quality they are happy to receive. If they are happy to pay for low quality copy (hey, its a free world so let them have it) then they pay the minimum, and in turn the copywriter can deliver the minimum.</p>
<p>However if they want to pay a premium (they tried &#8220;Standard&#8221; before, but it wasn&#8217;t really what they were after&#8230;they need something better) then they pay extra and in turn ONLY THOSE with the experience can accept these jobs.</p>
<p>One big issue seems to be the cost per word figures. Please understand this is early days for Copify and these  are not set in stone. This is a learning curve for us too and we need the backing of quality, experienced copywriters like yourself Andrew to get to the stage where we are comfortable in the knowledge we can raise the bar, and supply quality , well paid jobs to people like yourself.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t charge a serious company top-whack when we have no idea of the quality of the copywriters in the &#8220;pool&#8221; on Copify &#8211; we are not there, yet. Once we have seen jobs completed successfully and have a good system in place to ensure only the best get paid the most, we can increase the prices as we can be sure Copify can deliver the goods.</p>
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